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hi yes so what I'd like to talk about is

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something that I think is actually

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familiar to to all of us in this room in

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that all of us as many of the speakers

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have been saying so far our conscious

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and the question is what is that

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consciousness what does it mean how does

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it come to exist and how does it relate

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to the physical universe and how do we

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relate to each other now to look at the

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first question and say what actually is

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consciousness I think it's important to

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clarify that there's a distinction an

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important distinction between

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consciousness and information so we

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could be conscious of information but

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information of itself isn't conscious as

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demonstrated by the robot experiment

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that Dean Radin was was demonstrating so

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there's something more to it and that a

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lot of people will say that

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consciousness is just what happens when

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you have something that has self

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reference that is receiving information

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about itself but my analogy that I would

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use to in my mind at least refute that

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is just simply well if you remember I'm

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Stein's thought experiment was with the

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traveling along it on earth at the speed

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of light with a mirror and he's pointing

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the light at the mirror and can he see

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the light back again well just think of

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a slightly different version of it and

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it's a lot simpler have a camera

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pointing at a mirror okay the camera is

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receiving information about itself from

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the mirror it's recording that

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information - some people would say it's

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observing the information

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that make the camera conscious does that

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make it aware and if it doesn't what is

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it that's different about us as sentient

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beings that is actually different to

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that camera and what I would suggest in

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the people trying to understand through

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new consciousness through neurobiology

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how the brains become conscious

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I would suggest brains do not become

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conscious brains are not conscious

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anymore than when you turn your radio on

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and hear your favorite song the radio is

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singing to you okay the radio through

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its its structure and how its formed is

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able to detect that information that's

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in the song and you're able to hear it

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but the fact that and and you can say

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and neurobiologists will say but if you

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do things to the brain then you can you

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can do things that change consciousness

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so therefore it must have made it well

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you can detune the radio and you won't

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hear the song but it doesn't prove that

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the radio was singing now I would

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suggest that to truly understand the

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mind we have to understand it in the

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context that we perceive it in and we

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perceive it always here and now so here

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is where we are and now is is when we

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are it seems like a sort of obvious

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statement to make but there's a lot more

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to it than meets the eye initially what

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what do we actually mean by now now if

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you look at physics and the description

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of time in physics in in relativity for

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example or even in Newtonian physics

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there is nothing to define now there's

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nothing to define a present the whole of

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past present and future the Big Bang to

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the heat death of the universe might as

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well be one big global altogether with

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nowhere in there a cursor if you like

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pointing at a moment that we call now

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also the laws of physics don't say that

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time flows in fact what does it even

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mean for time to flow how can you have

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one second per second and yet somehow we

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seem to be aware of changing present

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we're always in the now as Schrodinger

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said the present is the only thing that

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has no end we're always in the now and

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the past exists within the now as the

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the definition of what how things have

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become through causes and conditions

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that our previous and the future is the

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future because it's not there yet so

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it's potential possibilities and this is

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I think absolutely crucial that we can't

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understand time I would argue unless we

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understand the mind and when we do

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perhaps we might see how the mind and

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matter are related now one important

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thing to say is that in terms of the

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experiments with the with the very

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important and experiments with the with

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the robot against the human how

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something artificial if you like isn't

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able to have the same effect in quantum

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terms as as a living mind I think it's

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it was a good idea for us to consider

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that in the context of where we are at

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present in our current technological

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post-industrial revolution world in fact

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I'm not sure about here in the States

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but I know both in Oxford and in

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Cambridge in in the UK there are

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organizations that have been set up by

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the faculties of those institutions

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looking at what they call existential

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risk the risk - what are the biggest

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risks that could affect our survival as

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a species and both of those two

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institutions have said that one of the

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biggest risks may well not be natural

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through asteroids or whatever and it

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might not be that we will blow ourselves

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up although we could do but one of the

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biggest risks might be through the

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effects of technology that we haven't

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yet predicted so unless we understand

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what it is that distinguishes us as

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living sentient beings from those robots

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from those machines then there's always

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the danger that we'll fall into this

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trap

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of thinking that if we are just

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information then we might as well just

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upload that information into some kind

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of mechanical device and then that's us

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we've got eternal existence well I would

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put it to you that the experiment with

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the robots proves that there is a

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distinction between a collection of

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information and under sentient being so

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to consider then in time as the three

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things that were important to understand

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time as I say there's a now there's

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which is the the present moment so I've

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just look at that first now

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Evon Schrodinger had something very

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important to say about now and the mind

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he said that the mind is always now and

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that actually time itself is generated

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as a result of the mind this is in his

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book called what his life published by

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now he derived from this the notion that

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since time is a product and property of

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mind that the converse cannot be true

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that mind cannot begin or end in time it

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must be eternal and he said I therefore

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proposed the indestructibility of mind

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by time that which mind has created

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cannot bring mine to the fore nor can it

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destroy it and as I say the laws of

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physics in themselves don't account for

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that now and the other point about

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consciousness is that all of us are now

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whether we're in different reference

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frames experiencing different subjective

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space-like or the time like realities or

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whatever each of us is still now to

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ourselves and each of our consciousness

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is in a sense identical in the sense of

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being aware what differs is the content

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of our awareness what differs is our

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different memories and we're all the

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same arguably if we

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possess such a thing as freedom of

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choice and I'll argue later why I think

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we do then each of us is instrumental

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and influential in determining the act

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events and structure of existence and

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the universe through how we make our

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choices so but we differ from each other

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in what we're aware of and what memories

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we have and in in what choices we make

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now the next thing about time is the the

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flow of time what we perceive as the

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moving now if you like the the ticking

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that consciousness is the only thing

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that we know of for which time needs to

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flow at all see if you have for example

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a bouncing ball that moves in a parabola

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bounces that's according to Newton's

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laws well those laws have the whole of

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the parabola there all at once they

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don't account for how there's a moment

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when it's in a particular position or

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the fact that it's moving all of it

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exists together and and this is a point

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that Lee Smolin made in his book the

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trouble with physics is that he feels

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that you know if we're ever going to

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find how quantum mechanics and

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relativity marry together then we're

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going to have to unravel the this

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seeming mystery of time how it is that

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there can be and now how it is that that

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time seems to flow and Andrei Linde oh

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I'm not far away in the he's professor

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of physics at the University of Stanford

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the Weiner to it equation for the

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quantum wave function of the universe

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energy of the universe if you subtract

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the negative energy related to gravity

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is zero and it's always been zero from

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the Big Bang until now everything adds

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then when you in the equation it which

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is the derivation of the Schrodinger

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equation if the energy is zero the rate

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of change is zero nothing should change

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so he said that from the equations we

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have a dead universe nothing happens and

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it never began but it all makes sense to

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some extent if you remember that there's

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an observer so then when you're

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observing the rest of the universe if

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weight then the the rest of the universe

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has minus that amount of weight if you

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like and so because it has mass it has

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energy and therefore therefore it can

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change with that and and and he actually

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put it in his in his textbook on

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inflationary cosmology the consciousness

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must be fundamental to to the the

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physical universe and apparently his

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publisher said please don't include that

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if you do you'll lose the respect of all

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your friends and colleagues and he said

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if I don't include it I'll lose my own

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self-respect

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anything can change is only possible

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because of consciousness then the other

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point about time is origins if you like

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so what is the boundary condition of the

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of the physical universe now the second

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law of thermodynamics tells us that it

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had to come from there must have been

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order in the distant past otherwise we

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can't account for how there can be an

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arrow of time now and so there's always

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the question of you know where did that

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or to come from and so then the question

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also remains if consciousness is a

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Schrodinger argued is eternal has no

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beginning and has no end

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then we exist or rather better way of

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putting it is sentience exists even

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without universe is needing to needing

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sentience and physicality and the

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physical universe related well there's a

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point that was made by David Bohm about

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mutter actually being frozen light okay

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so at the speed of light or anything

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that moves at the speed of light in

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other words has no mass no rest mass

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then you have no space and no time

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intervals you get to where you're going

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instantly as you're leaving it and

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you're you're in all places at once and

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it's only when you come away from that

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that it's frozen into location and

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matter and he said that in there is

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answer to why does he think that light

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is such a common metaphor that's used to

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describe the spiritual experience and

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now if we're talking about sentient

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being being eternal and the mind not

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being made by the brain then that's

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quite interesting because if you look at

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some of the evidence for the

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continuation of the of the mind beyond

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the the death of the brain in for

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example in near-death experiences where

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the brain waves are actually flat and as

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research by fennec and others has shown

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the mind is still taking on new

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information and laying down new memories

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during that time there seems like quite

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a common experience that people have

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this sense of a light and the common

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descriptions of that light that they

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perceive is that it contains all

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knowledge and and all compassion that

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they find it feels as though the

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lightest is caring for them but they and

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all the people that they know and care

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about are in some sense one with them in

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that light now that's quite interesting

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in terms of a question of how do

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physical universes happen and why does

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consciousness exist

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in separate locations that we call you

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and me because if you try an experiment

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and you try to for a moment just be

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aware of the fact that not what you're

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aware of but the fact that you're aware

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that as the this is a point that seems

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to have been lost on on neuroscience and

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it's still in many senses in there in

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the in the Dark Ages but actually this

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notion of awareness being deeper than

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sensory perceptions exists in text many

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thousands of years ago I think it was in

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the in the upon assured that that

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somebody referred to the the eye of the

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eye and the ear of the ear so we're

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we're we always want to study

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consciousness by looking at what we

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perceive but the the most fascinating

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thing of all as I says I think is not

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the information but the fact that that

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we can perceive that information now the

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the point how this I think this ties in

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to to time and to enter consciousness is

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that the fundamental ingredients of that

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consciousness I think many people would

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agree our awareness and will so you that

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you perceive that's the you receive

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information and you're aware of that

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information and being aware of those

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options empowers you to be able to make

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choices between those options and in

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making choices between those options

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you're exercising freedom of will and so

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mind is therefore perhaps collapsing the

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wave equation and that's potential

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becoming actual mind is also making the

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the now real and are therefore accessing

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the potentiality of the of the future

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and choosing between those

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potentialities by by the exercise of

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free will and that perhaps this state of

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existence that we're in rather than

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necessarily being a virtual creation may

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actually be real and that what we have

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actually perhaps done

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remember that space is just another word

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for separation without space there's no

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separation without separation there's no

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space it's just the separation of points

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basically and separation it defines our

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points our locations of consciousness

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and so it's interesting to look at

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consciousness from the point of view of

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separation against Union so on the one

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hand the most separate form you can

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imagine would be and the extreme would

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be a psychopath someone who has has no

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empathy when they look at other people

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they don't know they're not aware that

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there's someone viewing from behind

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those eyes they just see a lump of flesh

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that they can you know cause to have

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great suffering and it doesn't matter to

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them and then on the other extreme you

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have people that actually are aware that

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all sentient beings perceive just like

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they perceive and have have compassion

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towards those and perhaps that might be

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their antidote to the second law of

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thermodynamics that breaks everything

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apart and perhaps will will break us

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apart if we if we let it either through

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developing technology that Loui lose

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sight of our of our humanity perhaps and

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so I would suggest that that that that

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light that people see in the near death

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experiences best testament to the the

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fact that our perhaps our origins lie in

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a state that was once altogether that

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perhaps it was a choice to be separate

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that actually is responsible for making

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physical universes and that we enhance

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our potential and we've become greater

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in terms of what we can perceive and

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that options available to us and freer

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when we become more inclusive and and

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have respect and value towards towards

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all sentient life you know whatever

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people's background and so on that we

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see that all humanity is basically of

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the same origin as us and has the same

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fundamentally limitless potential okay

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thank you very much Andrew some

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so we don't have a definition of time

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those vibration of cesium atoms are

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measuring just something that dilates or

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shrinks according to our disposition if

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we were bored it dilates if we're in

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love or we do something that we really

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like and we're in the flow like

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mahalakshmi highly defined the flow how

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you integrate this expansion or

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shrinking of time according to our

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disposition in your theory of time sure

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well what I'm what I'm actually talking

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about isn't the sort of how we the units

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of time that we measure in in terms of

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the the ticks of a clock so much I'm

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talking about the fact that the time is

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there at all the fact that there is a

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now the fact that the the direction of

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the apparent flow of time from from

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order into chaos and also the origins of

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where it might have come from so I think

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it's always difficult to to measure a

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rate of a flow of something against

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itself because to say one second per

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second doesn't doesn't really doesn't

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really mean very much a lot it wasn't

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really addressing that sort of

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subjective right but clearly when some

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when you're paying more attention to

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something then it seems to because

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there's more points of notice then it

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seems that more happens in that time so

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in a car crash everything seems to go in

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slow motion so so there are those

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psychological effects in terms of the

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the meter age of the the rate of flow of

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time but but I thought what I find more

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fascinating is the fact that we're there

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at all that we exist what the conscious

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within within that that there is a now

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and that change happens at all and what

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overall direction that is and whether we

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have any say over that direction which

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perhaps might be

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whether it's union or separation that

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perhaps that the second law of

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thermodynamics is simply that initial

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choice to separate followed to it thank

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you for your insight a couple of years

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ago Tononi a psychiatrist made the point

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that any system consisting of a body of

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information and a central processing

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facility is conscious it's regarding

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your statement that information is not

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consciousness his interpretation stands

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alongside that I'm suggesting that

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consciousness may be self-aware or may

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not be self-aware any thoughts on that

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well I would say that the if we really

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think the test for whether we really

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think that and something that processes

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information is conscious and aware in

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the same sense as we are is do we hold

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that view strongly enough that we would

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consider it an act of murder to unplug

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the computer that's doing that for me

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and the computer that processing

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information is no less a machine than a

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lever is a machine that it's however

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complicated we make it it's still a

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still a machine and we can have a

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sophisticated information gathering

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mechanism as we want for example in a

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very high resolution high-tech camera

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and pointed at the mirror so that it's

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receiving information about itself but

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but for me that would not mean that you

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know I would consider anyone switching

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the camera off to be killing it or the

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other

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that's there and I think you know it's

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it's fascinating to see that there may

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be actually be some experimental

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evidence for that in what in what Dean

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Radin presented earlier and

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interestingly I was reading one of the

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ins books earlier and

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he did a very helpful meta-analysis of

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all the research on onside that showed

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that the chance of it happening by

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chance was something like 10 to the

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power of 104 to 1 against which is like

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if we choose a lottery number at random

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a set of lottery numbers and we win the

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jackpot and then we do the same next

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week with another random set and the

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same the following week and then for the

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fourth week for an encore what we do is

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we say right out of all the hundreds of

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billions of galaxies all the hundreds of

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billions of stars in there in each of

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them the the hundreds of gazillion - or

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whatever of atoms in each star I'm going

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to choose an atom at random and see and

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then you get that right as well so I

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think perhaps enough is enough for

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whether we need to prove it to ourselves

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whether this phenomenon exists or not

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and maybe ultimately that the fact that

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it that we can see that it does that we

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know that it does or we experience it

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self-evidently through awareness and and

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choice and and consider perhaps a bit

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more the the implications of what that

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means but I still think you know

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empirical experiments definitely have

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their place and and you know it's it's

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great that there are people doing them I

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existed without a body heart or mind

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when I was 4 years old as this

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nothingness which is this is constant

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now and you spoke about how the

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potential and kinetic energy of the

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universe could be would be equal to 0

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and how the frame of reference of the

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speed of light is a spaceless timeless

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reference frame and what my own model is

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that the space-time and quantum

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mechanics seems to be gravitating around

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this observer or consciousness which is

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constant and now why why would it not be

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that nothingness would be what

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everything is gravitating and

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electromagnetically orchestrating around

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that then now is that nothingness which

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is constant and endless

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well I agreed that the the origin of

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everything is from it's from nothingness

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but the problem is we've made I would

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argue we've made a somethingness out of

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it in which there's very real pain and

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suffering in the world and and so on and

551
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and we're not sort of gravitating back

552
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to the original state of a service all

553
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being one instead we're sort of fighting

554
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wars and and so on the harming the

555
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experience of other conscious sentient

556
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beings so I'm not sure if if I'm

557
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understand Tsering your question correct

558
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me or if I misunderstood it well let's

559
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say if we are that nothingness which is

560
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orchestrating all of somethingness in

561
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all these infinite ways and evolving and

562
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causing the universe as consciousness

563
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then we are as that nothingness is

564
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currently very unconscious originally

565
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and we are discovering by the self

566
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reflection to mature and become more

567
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conscious as Carl Jung said in the

568
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process of maturation the individual

569
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ultimately realizes they're indivisible

570
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from everyone and everything and when we

571
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more of us realize that then we can have

572
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a civilization Gandhi said about when he

573
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was asked what do you think about

574
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Western civilization he said I think

575
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that's an excellent idea

576
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I think I think the problem is that

577
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we're not actually if you look at

578
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history we're not evolving we've had

579
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several times in the past century to

580
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destroying ourselves as a species and

581
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and through the developments in

582
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technology as we as we as we sort of

583
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Lord and praised the artificial and the

584
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dead above the living in the sentient

585
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that the the danger is that we're

586
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actually becoming more and more ignorant

587
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as we forget consciousness I was given

588
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the example of how and they're punished

589
00:29:04,090 --> 00:29:02,060
odds thousands of years ago people then

590
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:04,100
took it for granted that sentience

591
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wasn't just about information that there

592
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:07,880
was something behind that and yet if you

593
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if you talk to the average person in the

594
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street now about what

595
00:29:17,380 --> 00:29:14,390
consciousnesses I think you've probably

596
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heard about the the content of what they

597
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see and and not perhaps recognize or

598
00:29:25,450 --> 00:29:23,570
respect and value that that

599
00:29:28,180 --> 00:29:25,460
consciousness exists in all beings you

600
00:29:32,380 --> 00:29:28,190
have to be given equal equal value and

601
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right that's just my opinion but thank

602
00:29:37,740 --> 00:29:34,030
you very much